Thomas

I don't know if anybody can answer this but i'll ask anyway, i read in a
book that model a's didn't use a stick shift transmission but used three
separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another
for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it's not then what
did they do? it's just a question i've been wondering about and anybody
who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated

John_H

Ron the Barbarian wrote:

>"Noddy" <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote in news:412c4827$1
>@dnews.tpgi.com.au:
>
>>
>> "Ron the Barbarian" <Newsguy> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9550A97D8DA3Bnofuse@129.250.170.91...
>>
>>> Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B,
>>> 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N,
>>> 1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S,
>>> that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ?
>>
>> What about them exactly?
>
>Transmissions, Noddy ?

How about the TT then?
You forgot to mention it Ron.

--
John H

Ron the Barbarian

John_H <john4271@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Ron the Barbarian wrote:
>
>>"Noddy" <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote in news:412c4827$1
>>@dnews.tpgi.com.au:
>>
>>>
>>> "Ron the Barbarian" <Newsguy> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9550A97D8DA3Bnofuse@129.250.170.91...
>>>
>>>> Okay, how about the 1903 Ford Model A, 1904 Ford Model B,
>>>> 1904 Ford Model C, 1906 Ford Model K, 1906 Ford Model N,
>>>> 1907 Ford Model N and 1907 Ford Model S,
>>>> that came BEFORE the 1908 Model T ?
>>>
>>> What about them exactly?
>>
>>Transmissions, Noddy ?
>
> How about the TT then?
> You forgot to mention it Ron.
>
> --
> John H

The dear old Truck :-)
No missed that :-)

Harry K

kruse@kansas.net (Kruse) wrote in message news:<47e880bc.0408250228.5a1a2be0@posting.google. com>...
> Ron the Barbarian <Newsguy> wrote in message news:<Xns9550A4FCCA9CBnofuse@129.250.170.90>...
> > Thomas <fuji_muji@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:_GVWc.14626$_H5.483029
> > @news20.bellglobal.com:
> >
> > > I don't know if anybody can answer this but i'll ask anyway, i read in a
> > > book that model a's didn't use a stick shift transmission but used three
> > > separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another
> > > for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it's not then what
> > > did they do? it's just a question i've been wondering about and anybody
> > > who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated
> >
> > It was the Model T.
> >
> > There were three foot pedals; Left = clutch, Middle = reverse, Right = foot
> > brake. The 'clutch' pedal disengaged the drive from top gear when pressed
> > halfway down. Pushing it harder caused low gear to engage. So, to start up,
> > one pushed the clutch pedal all the way in, revved up the engine, and
> > having reached about l5mph, let the clutch pedal all the way out and high
> > gear was engaged. To stop, one half depressed the clutch, thus releasing
> > top gear, then used 'brake' as required. To reverse, one half de-clutched,
> > then pushed the reverse pedal.
> >
> > The Model A that followed had a gear shift lever.
> >
> > Ron
>
>
> Another feature with the Ford model "T" was that if you had a real
> steep hill to climb, you had to do it in reverse. That was because the
> fuel tank was in front of the windshield and the fuel was a gravity
> feed to the carburetor. Going up a very steep hill would run the carb
> out of gas.
> My dad used to have a model "T" and told me about the three floor
> medals and the hill climbing he would do with the "T". Those were
> interesting times.

Sorry, your answer is only 50% correct. Yes, they backed up steep
hills so the gravity feed would keep gas in the carb. The tank was
under the seat and there was no fuel pump.

Harry K

Jim Vatunz

On 25 Aug 2004 18:25:45 -0700, turnkey4099@hotmail.com (Harry K)
wrote:

>kruse@kansas.net (Kruse) wrote in message news:<47e880bc.0408250228.5a1a2be0@posting.google. com>...
>> Ron the Barbarian <Newsguy> wrote in message news:<Xns9550A4FCCA9CBnofuse@129.250.170.90>...
>> > Thomas <fuji_muji@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:_GVWc.14626$_H5.483029
>> > @news20.bellglobal.com:
>> >
>> > > I don't know if anybody can answer this but i'll ask anyway, i read in a
>> > > book that model a's didn't use a stick shift transmission but used three
>> > > separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another
>> > > for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it's not then what
>> > > did they do? it's just a question i've been wondering about and anybody
>> > > who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated
>> >
>> > It was the Model T.
>> >
>> > There were three foot pedals; Left = clutch, Middle = reverse, Right = foot
>> > brake. The 'clutch' pedal disengaged the drive from top gear when pressed
>> > halfway down. Pushing it harder caused low gear to engage. So, to start up,
>> > one pushed the clutch pedal all the way in, revved up the engine, and
>> > having reached about l5mph, let the clutch pedal all the way out and high
>> > gear was engaged. To stop, one half depressed the clutch, thus releasing
>> > top gear, then used 'brake' as required. To reverse, one half de-clutched,
>> > then pushed the reverse pedal.
>> >
>> > The Model A that followed had a gear shift lever.
>> >
>> > Ron
>>
>>
>> Another feature with the Ford model "T" was that if you had a real
>> steep hill to climb, you had to do it in reverse. That was because the
>> fuel tank was in front of the windshield and the fuel was a gravity
>> feed to the carburetor. Going up a very steep hill would run the carb
>> out of gas.
>> My dad used to have a model "T" and told me about the three floor
>> medals and the hill climbing he would do with the "T". Those were
>> interesting times.
>
>Sorry, your answer is only 50% correct. Yes, they backed up steep
>hills so the gravity feed would keep gas in the carb. The tank was
>under the seat and there was no fuel pump.
>
>Harry K
After you finish fighting over that (both locations are correct
depending on year) the other 50% of the reason was because reverse was
the highest ratio gear available.

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http://ii.net/~farmerjim/

John_H

Ron the Barbarian wrote:

>John_H <john4271@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news77qi0lt50cg56hpr1a2fdmecn0529m9rv@4ax.com :
>>
>> How about the TT then?
>> You forgot to mention it Ron.
>
>The dear old Truck :-)
>No missed that :-)

Only in USA I think.

Australia had the TT car -- which I presume was a factory built hybrid
that had at least some Model A running gear under a Model T body and
which would have sold concurrently with the Model A. I have no idea
how many were built and I'm pretty sure the only one I've ever seen
had a Model A transmission with the handbrake lever next to the
driver's door (same as a '28 Model A). IIRC it also had a Model A
dash, and definitely had Model A wheels.

I doubt if the TT truck would ever have been seen here as car
production only began in 1925. Prior to that they were imported as a
rolling chassis and the bodies were built by various body builders in
various styles.

At the end of factory production in 1927 there were obviously a lot of
Model T body bits left over, which is probably where the TT came
in.... It's common to see factory Model A commercials (light trucks,
pickups, buckboards, or whatever you might call them) with model T
panels -- rear guards (fenders) in particular.

--
John H

Thomas

ya, model t, sorry

Noddy wrote:
> "Thomas" <fuji_muji@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:_GVWc.14626$_H5.483029@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
>
>>I don't know if anybody can answer this but i'll ask anyway, i read in a
>>book that model a's didn't use a stick shift transmission but used three
>>separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another
>>for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it's not then what
>>did they do? it's just a question i've been wondering about and anybody
>>who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated
>
>
> Nope, that would be the Model *T* (1908-1927)
>
> The model T used a planetary transmission that had 2 forward gears and one
> reverse. It was foot controlled somewhat like a motorcycle, with three
> pedals poking out through the floorboards that operated the gearbox. One
> pedal controlled the clutch and forward ratio's, one the reverse gear and
> the third pedal actuated a brake band within the gearbox itself (the T had
> no wheel brakes at all).
>
> I was fortunate enough to drive an original T some years ago on a farm, and
> it was an interesting experience to say the least The throttle was
> controlled by a lever on the steering wheel, and you set that to the rpm you
> wanted, and moved the ignition timing lever to a position were the engine
> sounded best. Next, you stabbed the "C" pedal to the floor quickly to engage
> first gear and hold the clutch out, and then released it slightly to let in
> the clutch and get moving.
>
> Once you were off you had to hold the pedal there until you were ready to
> shift into top gear, in which case you released the pedal completely and the
> car banged itself into high and chugged along. Stopping was as interesting
> as getting going, as the brake band was pissweak. You stepped on the "B"
> pedal as hard as you could to slow down while holding the "C" pedal to the
> floor, and with your third leg you stood on the "R" pedal if it was an
> emergency
>
> It seems completely foreign by today's standards, but back in 1908 there
> weren't all that many cars to be used to, so learning to drive the T was no
> different to learning to drive anything of today. It was also an extremely
> popular car in it's time, and most people of the period knew how to operate
> one, even though other cars existed with "conventional" transmissions.
>
> The model A Ford appeared in 1928, and was equipped with a conventional 3
> speed stick shift transmission.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
>
>
>
>
>

Noddy

"Jim Vatunz" <rot13.snezrewvz@vvarg.arg.nh> wrote in message

> After you finish fighting over that (both locations are correct
> depending on year) the other 50% of the reason was because reverse was
> the highest ratio gear available.

That'd be the *lowest*

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Noddy.

John McKenzie

Noddy wrote:
>
> "Jim Vatunz" <rot13.snezrewvz@vvarg.arg.nh> wrote in message
>
> > After you finish fighting over that (both locations are correct
> > depending on year) the other 50% of the reason was because reverse was
> > the highest ratio gear available.
>
> That'd be the *lowest*
>

maybe it's semantics? the highest _ratio_ , i.e. the lowest gear?

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"Noddy" <dg4163@{nospam}tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:412c3084@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>
> "Thomas" <fuji_muji@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:_GVWc.14626$_H5.483029@news20.bellglobal.com. ..
>> I don't know if anybody can answer this but i'll ask anyway, i read in a
>> book that model a's didn't use a stick shift transmission but used three
>> separate pedals (one for reverse, one for a lower forward gear another
>> for a higher speed), could someone verify this and if it's not then what
>> did they do? it's just a question i've been wondering about and anybody
>> who can at least attempt answer this is appreciated
>
> Nope, that would be the Model *T* (1908-1927)
>
> The model T used a planetary transmission that had 2 forward gears and one
> reverse. It was foot controlled somewhat like a motorcycle, with three
> pedals poking out through the floorboards that operated the gearbox. One
> pedal controlled the clutch and forward ratio's, one the reverse gear and
> the third pedal actuated a brake band within the gearbox itself (the T had
> no wheel brakes at all).
>
> I was fortunate enough to drive an original T some years ago on a farm,
> and
> it was an interesting experience to say the least The throttle was
> controlled by a lever on the steering wheel, and you set that to the rpm
> you
> wanted, and moved the ignition timing lever to a position were the engine
> sounded best. Next, you stabbed the "C" pedal to the floor quickly to
> engage
> first gear and hold the clutch out, and then released it slightly to let
> in
> the clutch and get moving.
>
> Once you were off you had to hold the pedal there until you were ready to
> shift into top gear, in which case you released the pedal completely and
> the
> car banged itself into high and chugged along. Stopping was as interesting
> as getting going, as the brake band was pissweak. You stepped on the "B"
> pedal as hard as you could to slow down while holding the "C" pedal to the
> floor, and with your third leg you stood on the "R" pedal if it was an
> emergency
>
> It seems completely foreign by today's standards, but back in 1908 there
> weren't all that many cars to be used to, so learning to drive the T was
> no
> different to learning to drive anything of today. It was also an extremely
> popular car in it's time, and most people of the period knew how to
> operate
> one, even though other cars existed with "conventional" transmissions.
>
> The model A Ford appeared in 1928, and was equipped with a conventional 3
> speed stick shift transmission.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
>
>
Great answer and very accurate. You reminded me of the first time I drove a
T as well. The experience was sure one to behold.

Luggy